What We Know About Her Continued 'Today Show' Absence, Drew Barrymore and Ross Mathews Disgusted After Guy Fieri Feeds Them Spray Cheese on 'The Drew Barrymore Show', 'Jeopardy!' 11,875, This story has been shared 6,465 times. 1,335, This story has been shared 1,201 times. Trapped between beautiful Mary and adventurous Sybil, Edith was the sad one. Thank you for the explanation! The fact she can transform from drab Lady Edith to drop-dead gorgeous glamazon to walk the red carpet, and elicit reactions . Edith (played superbly by Laura Carmichael) has always been the quiet rebel in the family--unlike the sprightly Lady Rose who was ready to marry a black man, partly to shock her mother--and we have been waiting for this all along since Lady Edith began her relationship with a married editor, Michael. Sadly, Sybil died giving birth to their daughter. Stevenson: Youre right, Dan. 1,201, This story has been shared 1,163 times. Fellowes seems to have positioned her decision not as a bold move for feminism, but an opportunity to show once more that a womans greatest success is tied up in giving birth to a child and loving it. I'm afraid though that your future wife is a very wicked woman indeed and enjoyed every one of your scandalous allusions most thoroughly. To have to leave a child she loved with complete strangers could not have been easy. I, toosomewhat uncharitably, I realizecracked up when the ceremony only got as far as Dearly beloved, we are gathered. (This is the second consecutive Downton reception weve been cheated out of. Neat. After that, Edith decided to start a little thing with a married farmer, but his wife found out, and it was adios to Old MacDonald. hide caption. In my mind, her happiest ending would be taking Marigold to America. Or at least, thats the official story. Excuse me, I know this isnt relevant to Downtown Abbey, but hypothetically, if one was to buy the title Lord and Lady of the Manor of and this person had four daughters, what would their daughters be called? Ill be awaiting them while munching on champagne-basted asparagus and Calvados-glazed duck. Why was Lady Edith jilted at the altar? No Mr/Mrs or Miss. Another season of Downton Abbey has come to a close, and once again, Lady Edith is unlucky. The show, which gives a look at the life of the Crawleys, a fictional aristocratic family who run and own the Downton estate. Exit Anthony, pursued by Edith's terrible luck. But even that uncertainty has been taken care of. If Robert had a second title, the son would be known as Viscount Downton. He swore his love to Edith, but nobody else believed he was the dead wealthy cousin he said he was and he bailed out as quickly as a writer who suddenly realizes he has no idea where this plotline is going. The newly pregnant Lady Grantham slips on a bar of soap, falling onto the bathroom tiles and inducing a miscarriage. Why is the familys last name Crawley if that is Lord Granthams mothers last name? Was it tradition back then to use the womens last name? Dear Sir or Maam, Anna had better watch out. I hope this makes sense. Unless, the mother is the monarch, of course. 1,163, This story has been shared 1,143 times. There doesnt always appear to be a firm rule among this group except in the way they address the butler, housekeeper and cook and vice versa. Robert and Cora were devastated over the loss of their youngest daughter. The two living daughters have to be addressed normally as Lady Mary and Lady Edith and by servants as Mi'Lady and not as you said: Your Ladyship, because that is only for the countess and . I like british title system. save. At the head of the family is Lord Grantham,whos name is Robert Crawley (played by Hugh Bonneville). And anyway, that wedding disaster was such a stupid, great Downton momentI screamed with laughter when he muttered, I cant do this. And poor Edith! Im thinking that both her and Cora could not be a Dowager Countess. Then at some point "Madge" became Edith's Lady's Maid (and Lady Rose's). Let us return to when we met Edith, four seasons ago. The eldest son of a titled person (peer) usually uses his fathers second highest title as his own. Even Molesley, who could be considered the Jerry of Downton Abbeyhasstarted to win the admiration of the new lady maid, Baxter. She is persistently tormented by an unknown feeling, a sort of vague discomfort at the knowledge of a possibly sinister presence . I dont know any of this for certain but this is what I believe to be the case. All the named maids (Anna, Gwen, Lily, Edna, etc) have either been promoted or left, so Edith may be waited on by one of the unnamed maids, or she may have simply elected not to have a maid at all. 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That would be nice, except it seems clear from the start of season five that Edith is sadder than ever. Or would only one daughter inherit the title? In season 3, Lady Mary claims to have undergone a small operation that will help her start a family with Matthew. But Lady Mary has taken over when the series ends, and Fellowes believes shed find savvy ways to keep her familys home in their hands. Should something happen to Robert, the title would pass to George making Cora the Dowager Countess. His superiors simply needed to feed Edith a lie that would discourage her from poking around, so they made up a cover story that someone who follows the news would believe. Downton Abbey invests a lot of time and effort in convincing us that John Bates, Lord Grantham's trusty, is a great guydespite his checkered past and multiple murder allegations. (Quick aside on Mr. Bates: The scene where some sort of contraband is planted in his bunk made zero sense. I couldnt read past ~ whos name is Robert Crawley~. Some fans have interpreted this empathy as a clue that Rosamund, not Lady Grantham, is Ediths true mother. English actor Laura Carmichael doesn't have a problem with that. Carson: "We may have to have a maid in the dining room." The Earl of Grantham: "Cheer up, Carson. Thomas: Im glad that Mrs. Hughes lump turned out to be benign. Sure, Mary endures tragedy, but Mary is also wealthy, chic, and constantly pursued by scores of handsome suitors. It is television fiction. So Georges wife would be known as the Countess of Grantham, and both Cora and Violet would be known as the dowager, unless they had to be identified apart in which case it theyd be known as Cora Crawley, 7th Countess of Grantham and Violet Crawley, 6th Countess of Grantham. Grantham would likely have been the name of an estate or county or shire or some other territory given to some man named Crawley a few hundred years earlier. Hes the downstairs Edith. These two do not like each other, and theyre quite public about it. So she is styled, for she is not a Duchess, taking her title from her husband. She will keep her baby and she will hide it with a farming family close to Downton, damn it! I guess she may not technically be a Lady's Maid but a "maid who does buttons and hooks". Continue browsing in r/DowntonAbbey. Its a sad moment, but its also, Reddit claims, the source of the houses future misfortune. A peer only ever uses their most senior title. But what if everyones assumptions about Bates are exactly right? In a bit of a confusing adjunct to this, when the wife has no title of her own, the wife of a younger son is addressed as Lady (first name of husband). Only his present wife is the Princess of Wales. By Dan Kois, Seth Stevenson, and June Thomas. There is no sexual agency without karmic punishment! But because there is such a narrow idea in her family of what constitutes success, her writing career has never been more than tepidly received, and certainly is understood to be a poor substitute for multiple pregnancies when it comes to getting some meaning in her life. Robert Crawley is addressed asLord Grantham by equals and asYour LordshiporMiLord by servants. After Edith disappeared, Lady Violet (Maggie Smith) went down to Rosamund (Samantha Bond) in London and said they should tell Cora (Elizabeth McGovern) about Edith's baby. Denker and Spratts unprofessional squabbles wouldve gotten plenty of other servants fired, but fans believe the Dowager Countess keeps them employed for her own amusement. Lord Grantham is in fact the short form of his title, the proper title is The Earl of Grantham, though in Britain Barons, Viscounts, Earls and Marquesses can be referred to as Lord X instead of by their full title this is why you may have heard him called Lord Grantham and the Earl of Grantham throughout the show. Fans Fuming Over Mayim Bialik and Ken Jennings' Hosting Schedules: "I Want Ken Full-Time". If so, who are they? The film had a very crowded plot, with all the old characters plus a lot of new ones, all deserving some screen time. Lady Mary Crawley (played by Michelle Dockery) has been the resident mean girl on "Downton Abbey" ever since it premiered in 2011 (via IMDb ). 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Her full title isThe Dowager Countess of Granthamand is also referred to as simpleLady Grantham. Speaking of nobility travelling without valets, when the Duke of Crowborough showed up at Downton without a valet in the very first episode my first thought was he left his valet behind so that Thomas would be taking care of him, and that would give them a chance to have a quiet talk about not wanting his indiscretion with Thomas to become well known. It's a good thought, but I think that's the sort of thing she might to at the beginning of the show, to prove her importance and compete with Mary, but her whole character arc over the series and film shows her becoming more modern, learning that not everything important is about fancy clothes and large drawing rooms, and having a life outside of her battle with her older sister. Three generations easily distinguished. Hope you are doing well and had a great holiday season. Edith is certainly sad that she's not married yet, but it's the limits on her other options that make this life-breakingly depressing for her. She's unluckier than Bates, and he went to jail for something he didn't do, for what certainly felt like a really, really long time. 2,161, This story has been shared 1,804 times. Perhaps the lesson of all these stories of Edith being left and left and left again is nothing brings in misery like being entirely at the mercy of other people's decisions to stay or leave, which is where Edith's father, well-meaning though he may be, has left her. Francine may require the help of her eccentric nouveau riche best friend, Cuddles (Edith Massey), to discover the truth. When Will 'Jesus Revolution' Movie Be Streaming? But to be fair, Downton Abbey has never been kind to Lady Edith. Why add Edith's lady's maid, who doesn't have anything really interesting to do? She became solely Mary's lady's maid once Mary wed. After this, Mary asked Edith how the new maid was doing and Edith said that she missed Anna. Finally, a clear explanation of where Grantham comes from when it isnt anyones name! These fan theories include secret parentage, undercover spies, and, of course, poison. It just isnt done. Ex-wife Dana is now styled Diana, Princess of Wales. For the most part, any of the staff that the family has routine contact with such as the butler, valet, footmen, chauffeur and ladys maids are called by their family name only. Only married ladies had a personal lady's maid. Until next week. Edith's full title is The Most Honourable Lady Edith Pelham, Marchioness of Hexham (and any other subsidiary titles Bertie has). Perhaps Gregson will come back from the dead Germany and the family can be reunited at last. George has the surname Crawley, from his father. Anyone who does not know that Dowager refers to a widow might like a more complete explanation. It's mentioned in series 4 (IIRC) - Lady Mary ask Anna to look after Rose while they are in London because they can't take Madge away from Lady Edith who is staying at Downton Abbey. If you have anyquestions relating to the titles used on Downton Abbey, leave them in the comments box below. Its almost as if Downton Abbeys creator and head writer, Julian Fellowes has it out for poor Lady Edith. One thing thats key to the show yet is not widely understood by many are the titles used by members of the family. Maybe he'll die! A peer may be addressed as My Lord or Your Lordship or Sir. She would probably have opened the house to the public in the 1960s, as so many of them did, Fellowes told Deadline. They then called him Tom when he became part of the family although the dowager did so reluctantly. Kois: Seth, I wonder about this, too. Pretend a different storyline, in which Robert has an heir, a married son. He would be known as John Bates. Or, more likely, little Johnny Bates. Or, more likely, John and Annas boy.. He would almost certainly enlist, as show creator Julian Fellowes himself has suggested. June, how did you feel about this weeks downstairs saga? As both are the daughters of an Earl, they use the title Lady in front of their names. Never until they're married? (Though I liked the idea of a succession of increasingly diminutive names. The fear you hear in Aileens story is similar to Ediths fear that Mary will learn the truth about her illegitimate child, Marigold, and shame her mercilessly. Given the opportunity to be responsible for something instead of responsible to everyone, she seems remarkably at peace as this season closes. June Thomas: Chaps, will you join me in my campaign for justice for Lady Edith? Back to the Crawleys, but remember they arent real. Her mother-in-law is called Cora, Countess of Grantham. I would like an explanation of the names used for the servants both at Downton and in Scotland. So, at that point, I assume she doesn't. However I do not feel easy with the title lord because the word lord is associated with the All mighty God. Edith finally decided to leave little Marigold with a local farmer, Mr. Drewe, whom she trusted with her beloved daughter. In order to divorce his wife, he went off to Germany (as you do in the years following World War I, if you have a taste for adventure), where he disappeared. But theres been precious little kindness shown to Edith over the years. Then she met a newspaper editor named Michael, who offered her a job writing (yay! Georges mother, now Lady Mary, does not hold a title. After all, thats the triumph of Sybils storyline. I still dont understand where the name Grantham comes from. Downton Place. She was the Jan, as Brady Bunch viewers immediately recognized. Holmes sees the Marigold storyline as evidence that Edith is learning to take her destiny into her own hands. My mom emailed me last week to complain that we didnt catch a glimpse of Marys. Julian Fellowes's historical drama about a family of aristocrats and their many servants could never resist a good shocker, and it deployed plenty of them over the course of six seasons. So, go peddle your coarse garbage elsewhere! Its in series 3, I wont ruin it for you. Her proper title isThe Countess of Grantham and she, like Lord Grantham, can be addressed as Lady Grantham by equals andMiLady by servants. Staying Single: What Most People Do If They Divorce After 50. Tom is the Granthams son in law, Lady Sibyls widower. She died, but her daughter lives, so we cant be too sad. Hope you are doing well. The deliciously mean-spirited piling on of indignities is unjust . This is perhaps most easily understood through eye color, where brown eye color, a dominant gene, is expressed as BB and blue eye color, a recessive gene, is expressed as bb. 4,929, This story has been shared 4,321 times. What about young George? Mr. Carson is Lady Mary's father. . Mary gets whatever she wantsan archbishop to perform her wedding, her husband to accept a legacy that makes him uncomfortable so that she can live in the house she wants to, despite its impracticalitywhile everyone else gets to decide whats right for her sister Edith. Hi James & Royal Central: The Crawleys spend much of Downton Abbey fretting about the future management of their estatepartially because Lord Grantham is kind of bad at it. I'm not sure if Edith would insist on a lady's maid because of her history as 'Poor Edith.' They divorced. This was wonderful and very enjoyable. The Dowager Countess of Grantham. 3 throughout "The Lady's Maid's Bell", and Stengel would perhaps say she is plagued by . Newspapers dont care much for proper style today. downtonabbey.fandom.com. In which case, they would be identified by their order. My own belief is that the Crawleys would still be there.. You must not have watched the entire series thus far, or you would know why Sybil was not mentioned. PostedMarch 4, 2015 When Lady Edith becomes pregnant with Michael Gregsons child, she finds a strong support system in her aunt, Lady Rosamund Painswick. However I like the titles of earl countess baron baroness sir lady. I sorta left some parts out: they get an official ladys maid when theyre married or reach a certain age. His father has no title therefore George will, on reaching his majority (18 years of age), become Mister Crawley; unless he has already inherited his grandfathers title by that age. This is the case for all daughters of Earls, Marquesses and Dukes, formally their titles areThe Lady Mary CrawleyandThe Lady Edith Crawley, addressed normally as Lady Mary and Lady Edith and by servants asMiLady. If the Crawleys were richer they could have afforded ladys maids for all their daughters but since they cant, they settled with a senior house maid as an unofficial ladys maid for their eldest child. It cleared up my confusion about the names and titles. Are Zoomies a Sign of a Happy Dog or a Crazy Dog? So lets call her Anne. Spinsters do get up for breakfast, but they should fix their hair. 4,289, This story has been shared 2,664 times. Mary will only gain a title if she marries a person with a title. SUPPORT OUR JOURNALISM: Please consider donating to keep our website running and free for all - thank you! Downton House. Next we have the two living daughters of the Earl and Countess of Grantham, Mary Crawley andEdith Crawley. On the one hand, Edith's story like Mary's contains a sort of gross "don't have sex when you're not supposed to or you'll pay a horrible price" lesson. It is oddly her grandmother, the Dowager Countess, who seems to understand most fully that Edith's options are limited, and that this is not to be taken as a happy thing, only one the D.C. would argue cannot be changed. Oops! But on the other, there is this: In becoming a mother, Edith got out from under the thumb of her father. The article was so frustrating when it left that out. This theory all comes down to . She's unluckier than Matthew, and he's quite deceased. I always had a soft spot for this particular ginger maid, who was treated poorly by her baby daddys parents, but once is enough for that story line. Diana, Princess of Wales was the daughter of an Earl so, prior to her marriage, was addressed as Lady Diana Spencer. Photograph courtesy of Carnival Film & Television Ltd. 2012 for Masterpiece. My Lady is *never* correct, although unfortunately the courts of justice seem to require it when addressing a female judge of senior rank. That placed the footman in a tricky situation, but it was nothing a little poison couldn't fix, and thats exactly why some fans believe Thomas slipped something into Mr. Pamuks dinner. She was well-known for her role as Lady Mary throughout the years and had a similar look to her character, perhaps because Lady Mary often did her best to move ahead with the times, especially with her hairstyles. Younger sons of Dukes and Marquesses are the only people that should be addressed as Lord [First Name] and daughters of Earls, Marquesses and Dukes should be addressed as Lady [First Name]. Considering all this, it should come as no surprise that fans have developed similarly wacky theories about the show. He hoped if her family got to know him, it would be easier for them to be on his side. If it is Earl (name) (Earl Attlee, Earl Jellicoe) then it is the last name of the person granted the title. The title is Grantham, not the family name. Sibling rivalries are fairly normal, but these two take it to a whole other level. But then I thought, maybe Julian Fellowes will pull the rug out from all of us, force them to live in this still completely gigantic mansion with a mere 8 servants, and rename the show Downton Place! Because Matthew predeceased Robert, Mary was never actually the Countess, but her son would be the earl, so what title does that leave her? I think he still addresses them by their formal names but I intend to pay particular attention from now on. Since abbey means place that nuns or monks used to live, was the Downton house supposed to be a former monastary or nunnery? She would love to take the wind out of your sailsif you were excited about something, it was only a matter of time untilpunch! Dinah would be sure to bring her down. The second and subsequent sons are styled The Honourable William. 5 Spiritual Practices That Increase Well-Being. Then, Edith got engaged to Anthony, the same guy Mary drove off once before, after convincing him she loved him in spite of his war-torn arm. I imagined the rage within Lady E mutating until lasers shot out her googly eyes, incinerating Mary and Sibyl and burning Downton to the ground. You said the son of Lord Grantham would have been called Lord Downtown, why was this not the case for Robert when his own father was the Lord Gratham? Bb), but if you plot out genetic probabilities on a basic Punnett square, two blue-eyed parents with double bbs have seemingly no shot at producing a Bb baby. How dare she feel jealousy for her chilly older sister? Stevenson: Oh that Gwen Dawson. All rights reserved. In Downton Abbey 2019, this caused a problem as King George wanted to send Bertie overseas, which would mean missing his own child's birth. I hope they are all thoroughly ashamed. He claims he likes Lady Edith and likens her to the people we all know in life who can never get it together. Only married women have lady's maids. Its maddeningly unclear what this operation entails, but one wild guess is that she had an early version of IVF. It worked: stole his letters and then told Thomas it would never happen again and he didn't need a valet. ), Aunt Rosamund shame-bullied Edith into the Swiss adoption, which she never wanted, and when it came right down to it, Edith ultimately did what Edith thought was right, for reasons other than wanting to get married already before she gets old. Downton Abbey Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. Inspired by soap operas and weepy 1950s melodramas, John Waters combines the conventions of that genre (soft lighting, teary organ music) with William Castle-like gimmickry for his most polished, biggest budgeted film yet. Then, like a phoenix from the ashes, Edith pulled herself up and began a writing career. In season three, it looked as though Edith might finally find happiness. Elizabeth McGovern as Lady Cora, Laura Carmichael as Lady Edith, and Dame Maggie Smith as Lady Violet. Mr. Bates). Reply SarahMakesYouStrong Additional comment actions Mary will not have a title unless she marries a person of title. Privacy Policy. What kind of a jerk lets her family undermine him so? But after Mary married Matthew, Anna was promoted to be Mary's personal lady's maid. He conveniently falls in love with Lady Mary, eldest daughter of Robert, and their boy child George now is heir perceptive to the seat and title. It was the same thing when Charles and Diana divorced. IN some cases there are indeed titles that pass through the maternal line such is the case of Mountbatten of Burma Louis Mountbatten having no sons, his eldest daughter is recognized as Countess Mountbatten of Burma in the letters patent. Kois: The sight of Carson singing merrily to himself once he heard Mrs. Hughes was OK warmed my heart. At risk of being labelled a pedant, I would say that Downton Abbey is not set in the early 1900s, but in the early twentieth century, as the early 1900s would take us to 1905, and the current series is set in the early 1920s. And thats what I aim to explain in this article. As she has married untitled Mr Henry Talbot she is Lady Mary Talbot. Thomas: Well, it looks like were being set up for another rerun: The question of what Ethel the housemaid-turned-prostitute should do with her son. "Downton Abbey's" serial mistreatment of Edith Crawley, the ultimate middle child, is one of its most telling quirks. Another one suggests that Gregson was a British spy gathering intel on the insurgent Nazisand he might not have died at all. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Have we ever heard Lady Grantham refer to the Dowager by any name? Bates and Anna, a lady's maid, have their budding relationship put on pause by Bates' wife, Vera, from whom Bates is estranged. There is also Violet Crawley (played by Maggie Smith) who is Lord Granthams mother and the wife of the previous Lord Grantham. Cookie Notice If Downton is the estate and Roberts last name and his fathers last name is Crawley, is Earl of Grantham the title itself awarded by a monarch as you described? He is the son of the late heir, Matthew Crawley, distant cousin to Lord Grantham, and Lady Mary. The detection and treatment of breast cancer circa 1920 is rather a gloomy subject even for a show that leaves lovely ladies at the altar for laughs. Another old custom, often written into the fathers will when a daughter inherits estate & titles with no surviving brothers, and then marries. 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