By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Lebron James 3. In other words, we have a little hindsight bias with them. He won six championships -- with the first and last coming 17 years apart -- and was named to 15 All Simmons has no jump shot -- just none whatsoever -- and was so memorably scared to shoot in the 2021 postseason that he passed up multiple open dunks. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I only included players on the 12-man playoff rosters. "LeBron is the most successful and the best player of the last 20 years, but the impact he [Curry] had on basketball -- it ranks up there with Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird and Jordan obviously.". Michael Jordan 2. But this fourth championship -- one without Kevin Durant and one where he averaged 31.2 points per game for his first Finals MVP -- took him into an even higher stratosphere. although the one thing you can say is that curry is the goat shooter. Kobe had a shot at MVP, but so did Dirk, Nash, Lebron among others. If you think Ayton is in the same tier as KAT something is wrong af. These are subjective lists. Send him to Portland plz . Or write about sports? Cunningham averaged 20 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists during his 9 year NBA career, and 23, 11, and 6 in his two year ABA career. He left off a lot of names that should be on there. His stats got dragged down because teams would just double or triple him every possession and he was still making shots. In Part 1 of the two-part Sunday podcast, The Ringers Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the Nets Game 4 loss to the Bucks after Kyrie Irving was injured. God its so annoying that I can literally hear his voice from the first sentence. Edit: Damn, some of you are very sure that your list is absolutely correct. Michael Jordan 2. Whoa.Moses Malone was a top 10 all time. Simmons claims the next debate is between Curry and Kobe Bryant, who he lists at No. cunningham: 13,626 points 6,638 rebs 2,625 assists, wilkins: 26,668 points 7,167 rebs 2,667 assists, dwyane wade has only played 6 1/2 years and almost has as many points as cunningham so nice try negating my points you blabbering idiots, 85. But for the mid 2000s his writing on the internet was innovative for what would end up being commonplace today (trade value list, draft day diary, podcasting, 30 for 30, it goes on), he built the format and now superior writers and analysts use it, have to acknowledge that. the 7 year difference bothers me a lot when you're trying to compare the 2 lists. Just saying, I bet people would pick apart your lists too. Last year I put him in, Simmons said to guest Joe House about where Curry ranked before this on his Pantheon. 50-26. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. We've added shooting handedness for all players in WNBA history to player pages! 2010s: Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Paul George, John Wall, Boogie Cousins, Uni-brow Davis, Andre Drummond. Charles Barkley was a guy who at 6-6 was probably the 2nd best offensive rebounder in the NBA. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul You will receive mail with link to set new password. Carmelo Anthony has stepped up last seasonmore years like that and hell be on the list, moses malone? A subreddit dedicated to NBA news and discussion. The Bill Simmons Podcast NBA 2022 NBA Playoffs Share this on Facebook Share this on Twitter Share All sharing options Flipboard Email Bye-Bye Rodgers, Tua A GREAT book for NBA fans. 3 time MVPcareer averages of 20 ppg, 12 rpg4 time on the all NBA first team. The man will tell you exactly what happened play by play in a 1956 Hawks vs Bullets playoff series but bases all his current player takes on the 2 most recent games he watched, This list is supposed to be for this playoffs so it at least matches the exercise. The dude scored 62 in three quarters against Dallas, then 81 against Toronto a few weeks later. In Part 2 of the two-part Sunday podcast, The Ringers Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss Chris Paul and the Suns bouncing the Nuggets from the playoffs, why this Suns team is the perfect fit for Chris Paul, how this season ranks among old-guy title runs, and more (3:00). 1. Simmons is just foolish for not having incredible foresight and knowing Stephen Curry would be a top 25 player in the next 7 years. From a pure Advanced stats standpoint Dirk was the guy. If Reddit existed in his time, he'd have tons of gold and cake. 9 one spot ahead of Steph. also, looking at the list, you have to think about comparing eras. Watch our How-To Videos to Become a Stathead, Subscribe to Stathead and get access to more data than you can imagine. He Kobe and LeBron will be higher and that's it. Blogger working on top ten of the world. I didn't hear he's changed his mind on anything. -- and have the only player in the league who can win a playoff series by himself. Billy Cunningham played in the olympics, was a top SF in his era and won 2 rings. I agree with the rest. That's the best way to describe him this season. He won a record six MVP awards and was a 19-time All-Star. cunningham ahead of dominique wilkins?!?!?!?!?! He dragged an extremely week Cavs roster to the second round after winning 50 games looking like a wrecking ball. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Moncrief ends up too low on both lists, but yeah. (3:00) Then Bill and Ryen run through their much-alluded-to list of the top 40 NBA players (40:30). A subreddit dedicated to NBA news and discussion. YOU. Find out more. A bunch of guys whove never won above Kawhi, Bron, and Steph is certainly interesting given the stated goal. Is Giannis Antetokounmpos play style inefficient for his skill set? Kobe is now top 10 per a recent simmons article. Blogger working on top ten of the world. You may not agree with his takes but you can feel his passion for basketball in his writing. You have to read the book.but ill help you. In a weird way, Kobe ended up getting what he always wanted: The Lakers completely revolve around him. But use common sense, 2. Voted to the top 50 NBA players of all time in 1996. Larry Bird 06. ESPN states their rankings are based on "both peak performance and career value.". Simmons changed the ranking of kobe in the updated release of his book from 15 to 7 after he won 2 rings. His criteria was "I'm trying to win in the playoffs THIS YEAR. Bill Russell* 163.51: 21. Looks like a pretty good list to me. Answer: Kobe. There's a surprising amount of discrepancy between the two lists, which could come from the basis on which they were constructed. Wilt Bill Simmons legitimately hates the Timberwolves and because of it has always had negative things to say about Karl. A couple things to keep in mind when comparing the two lists: Bill Simmons published The Book of Basketball in 2009. Download and follow the Dubs Talk Podcast, Bill Simmons lists who Steph passed to vault into his top 10, Steph cements himself on NBA's all-time Mount Rushmore. Answer: Kobe. Michael Jordan 02. Dont only look at scoring, look at the 2nd stats ( Rebounding, passing), http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=0020 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=366. Payton 41. Prior to the 2013-2014 season the All-Defensive team was voted on by NBA head coaches who were restricted from voting for players on their own team. So rank the Top Dozen from each Decade.. Its fun debating but its impossible to compare players from different Eras, So 1970s Top 12 or 15: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Dr.J Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Bill Walton, Bob McAdoo, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, Pete Maravich, Bob Lanier, Dave Cowens, Mychal Thompson, Bernard King, 1980s: Jordan, Magic, Larry Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, James Worthy, Kevin McHale, Dominique Wilkens, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Scottie Pippen, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond. WebBill Simmons published The Book of Basketball in 2009. Weve all been waiting for damn near 7 months for some sort of movement on Ben Simmons trade news. And it's working! I have nothing wrong with the list they way he did it, by there careeer acomplishmets impact on the game etc.. i heard Bill is going release a sequel, probably would be better to just wait. Lost your password? Kobe back-to-back Finals MVP, he won five titles. see I would swap 33 and 34, that makes no sense to me, I think Lavine could be a perennial shooting guard on a better team. It is just their own weird, conclusory assumption with no evidence at all. Comments. 2. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The nine players Simmons has ahead of Curry are: Michael Jordan LeBron James Bill Russell Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Magic Johnson Larry Bird Tim Duncan Wilt The NBA has seen countless legendary players throughout its history, but there are a select few who have truly stood out as the greatest of all time. Jerry West* All-NBA, Defensive Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year, All-Rookie, Hall of WebHe's about to become the fifth player in NBA history to average 35 points a game (along with Wilt, MJ, Elgin and Rick Barry). This topic contains 36 replies, has 18 voices, and was last updated by YungmUNy 7 years, 2 months ago. Ultimately, it's kind of fitting that the Philadelphia 76ers traded him to the Nets for the next guy on this list. Re: Bill Simmons Top 10 Players/Teams in NBA History. Simmons has several pages of criteria in his book about his ranking system and a lot of value is placed on winning and a player's knowledge of "the secret" of basketball. He should have won the 2001(or 02?) Billy Cunningham 46. Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid ABA All-Time Team NBA & ABA All-Star Game All-Star Game Selections by Player All-NBA and All-NBA Team Selections by Player All-Defensive Team Selections by Player NBA Referee Awards Greg Willard What I always liked about simmons is you can tell he loves the game. They didnt even play the same game back then. Plus, Jonny Lazarus talks Patrick Kane joining the Rangers, Tyson and Riley are joined by Reiman (Spencer) Bledsoe to compare first-timers and reoccurring competitors, as well as the different types of advantages this season, Plus, the guys later close the show with Americas favorite segment: Two Jargons, One Lie, Justin, Rob, and Wos talk the Lakers, the Pelicans, Nikola Jokic, and more, There is also discussion of Alabamas Brandon Miller and his connection to the case of a fatal shooting, Nora and Steven break down the most intriguing, silly, and enlightening comments coming out of Indianapolis, By submitting your email, you agree to our, The Official CP3 Appreciation Pod With Ryen Russillo. But now Kobes in play he could pass Kobe with one more [championship].. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Nate Thurmond 43. Copyright 2000-2023 Sports Reference LLC. Follow. My least favorite old-school sports analysis thing is when they say "If you replaced this player with X they would win Y amount of games" as if that is anything. Join our linker program. ", Download and subscribe to the Dubs Talk Podcast, Steph moves into Bill Simmons' 'Pantheon' of top players ever, How Looney had to hammer home point about Steph to teammates. Shaquille O'neal 8. src="https://www.facebook.com/tr?id=674090812743125&ev=PageView&noscript=1"/>, Steph Curry didnt need another championship or an NBA Finals MVP award to cement his legacy.. The Ringers Bill Simmons is joined by ESPNs Zach Lowe to discuss NBA All-Star snubs, the most fun NBA League Pass teams, top NBA crunch-time players, Minimum. Even his tier 1 is fucking terrible, jesus christ. Barkely averaged 22 points, almost 12 rebounds, (4 offensive), and 4 assists in his 15 year career.. much better than Iversons 26, 6 assists, and almost 4 rebounds in his 14 year career (so far, but those numbers will keep going down if he keeps trying to play.) But if i saw gunna compile a best players list i would go by skill and athleticism and mmore towards this era because lets face it these are the best athletes in the world playing now and they could get by with that against some of the older players back in the day, People that need to be higher: Pistol pete changed the nba game forever Rodman- maybe im biased but hes got 5 rings and 2x defensive player of the year and 7 defensive first team and 7 time rebounding leader at 6 foot 7/8. Do you have a blog? That's a smart and unbiased evaluation of the greats. Then they discuss the Clippers blowout Game 3 win over the Jazz, best Finals narratives, Hawks-76ers, and more (52:00). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060414#:~:text=He's%20the%20Black%20Mamba%2C%20he's,Sports%20Guy's%20World%20site%20here. @BillSimmons and @housefromdc run through their top-10 lists and where Steph now fits in: pic.twitter.com/wDHmxe1Ko5. He made up with Nike. Dude nearly vomits every time he has to mention Dangelo Russel, For such a good basketball historian, Simmons sure does have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to discussing current players. Hakeem Olajuwon 5. To celebrate the NBAs 74-year history, ESPN has decided to set the world on fire by ranking the best 74 players in league history, combining both current and past players. There are some gaudy stats from guys like Stockton and Nash, and while I respect the hell out of them, I somehow just feel like Kidds assists were more genuine and earned as if he was racking them up outside of the system he played in, just based on being an amazing floor general. billy cunningham ahead of dwyane wadehas anyone even heard of billy cunningham, wades a champion (NBA and Olympic). Oops. Unseld 42. More countdowns at top10countdowns.com. I dont think he gets enough credit. It's like losing your cool card if you admit you like him around here or something. View Reports-/5-RATE QUIZ. Magic Johnson 05. He was an all time great shooter and passer that didnt shoot enough. Its not that I didnt like Nash. Adrian Dantley is one of the most prolific and efficient scorers of all time. 1: When remembering this season 10 years from now, which player will pop into your head first? Press J to jump to the feed. Michael Jordan 02. Would an MVP ever get decimated like that by someone who plays the same position? Web#shorts In this video, we'll be discussing the top 10 NBA players of all time, as chosen by our expert basketball analyst. Web50 Greatest Players in NBA History; Top 10 Coaches in NBA History; SLAM 500 Greatest NBA Players of All Time; Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid; ABA All-Time The players are in alphabetical order. Plus, if you DIDN'T pick him, he would make it his mission to haunt you on the other team. Among their questions: Did the series just flip in the Bucks favor? Put it this way: Nash was a cute choice last season, mainly because none of the other candidates stood out, and I could see why someone would have been swayed. Is Kevin Durant officiated differently than other superstars? Where Barkley wanted teammates and wanted someone who he can defer to, Iverson drove teammates away from him and only passed if he had to. The NBA has seen countless legendary players throughout its history, but there are a select few who have truly stood He gets to shoot 25-30 times per game.